"the struggle with things", hesse quote reads: "we make gods, and struggle with them, and they bless us" (demian)

And here I disagree with some of my friends; I think spelling out in extensive detail the form or future society goes beyond our understanding. There surely will have to be plenty of experimentation - we don't know enough human beings and societies, their needs and limitations. There is just too much we don't know, so lots of alternatives should be tried.

NC on anarchism dec 6